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    Adrian Woods

    “Greywater? Just do it!” Larry Korn

    Roman Law (Statute Law): Everything prohibited unless there is a law that allows it.

    “Anglo-Saxon” (Common Law): Everything allowed unless there is a law to prohibit it.

    For those who have not seen Michael Reynolds in Garbage Warrior, it is a salutary tale of how an eco-architect clashes with the laws of the land and corporate filibustering.



    In California, greywater is legal in some cases. your washing machine water can be sent straight to the garden without a building permit. The shower/tub and bathroom lavatory can be used for greywater with a building permit. Kitchen sinks are not allowed by code. Even with the rules as such the one tub/shower permit we got in the city of los angeles was not finaled by the inspector. so just do it with that said
    read the California code it has excellent design guidelines that will help with figuring out how to configure the drain area, here is the link https://www.hcd.ca.gov/codes/shl/2007CPC_Graywater_Complete_2-2-10.pdf

    good diggen

    P.S. grAywater is the spelling that the code uses.

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    Adrian Woods

    Video 061 leads here: (Somebody might also write a consumer critique comparing products out there with SmartWater in terms of technical information provided / value for money.)

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    Adrian Woods

    DHARMAYALA – Building codes


    “The inclusion of naturalized and edible landscapes, grey water systems, composting toilets, renewable
    energy technologies, and rainwater catchment systems, are a few examples of sustainable practices that are as of yet either frowned upon or illegal in American urban centers. In Eugene, Oregon, Dharmalaya, a popular yoga studio turned eco-community center, has gotten into trouble for construction without a permit and violating land use codes:
    Because of the high level of use, which came to include overnight guests, Logan and Renee had
    built a bathhouse for Dharmalaya. The bathhouse includes three composting toilets and two
    showers with a graywater system. The system pumps used water from the showers through the
    root systems of marsh plants, where microbes purify the water. The water then drains into a
    backyard pond (Sylwester 1).
    Although the founders of the Dharmalaya house knew their bathhouse would be in violation of building
    codes, they decided to build it anyway. Why did they choose to ignore these legalities? According to one of the founders, Ron Logan, “The reason was not that we wanted to avoid building permit fees or to get away with building a structure that was not well designed. … The reason it happened was that we feel we are trying to design to a higher standard than is in the Oregon building code” (Sylwester 1). Logan has publicly criticized building codes for not taking into account pollutants and harsh chemicals in building materials, or how far the materials have to travel in order to be put to use. These are issues that permaculture practitioners, including ecovillage members, think about when making choices regarding which building materials, techniques, and plans to follow. Indeed, they are considerations that are included in LEED, the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design Green Building Rating System set forth by the U.S. Green Building Council, and ideally, such a rating system could be gradually integrated with mainstream building codes. The problem in the case of the Dharmalaya fiasco is that there was no
    communication between officials and the founders prior to construction. Despite the restrictions that current Oregon building codes represent, and the fact that they ignore many environmental and quality of life considerations that green builders and permaculturists take into account, an open dialogue and appeal to residents and politicians may have saved the founders some trouble in the long run.”



    Dharmalaya would never have been built had they engaged the city ahead of time in dialogue. :o )



    In our country (Puerto Rico) we have a saying;” It’s better to say your sorry than to ask for permission.”
    We need to push the rules in order to make change, specially if it means a better life for our children and grandchildren.

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